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  1. The Free PressPeter Savodnik10/10/235 min
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    • turtlebubble4 months ago

      This feels like fear mongering to me.. the overwhelming support for Palestine that I am seeing and feeling takes no joy in the attack in Israel and grieves with all civilians. It takes into account the very recent history and power dynamics of the conflict. I am confused as to how our country, government and media all had so much sympathy for Ukraine but not Palestine.

      • jeff4 months ago

        The article has an aggressive tone but I don't know that it's unjustified. All the examples of what the author considers to be bad takes are cited and many are from prominent people in the media. I certainly think he has every right to call them out.

        I also think the comparison to Ukraine is pretty simple: Terrorism is by and large very unpopular. If Ukraine launched a similar attack on Russian civilians I think we'd see the same kind of backlash. I expect that so long as there is a violent Palestinian resistance that employs terrorist tactics we'll continue to see the same dynamic.

    • thorgalle
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      4 months ago

      In protesting one injustice, one should be careful to not condone other injustices. That is what I take away from this piece.

      The specific examples of pro decolonization statements seem to fail in that regard. But perhaps they are taken out of context. And even if the writer's interpretation is correct, do these examples represent the larger protest movement?

      Is it naive to say that colonizing autonomous land is bad, and that rape and murder are also bad? I want to believe that 99.9999% of the people agree on the latter, irrespective of their opinion on the former.

    • Joannerice4 months ago

      I’m at a real loss. Having been to Israel 3 times from 1984 to 2015 I saw first hand how the Israelis continued to suppress the Palestinians by building village ( huge apartment buildings) after village on land that was never really theirs. It is kind of ridiculous for someone like me because you drive in Israel ( let’s call that Pine beach) then you are in Palestine ( let’s call that Beachwood) only to drive another 20 mins to be back in Israel and so forth and so on. I’ve seen the Israelis make a desolate land fertile and self sufficient. I be seen nomads nearly wiped out I’ve been to a kibbutz that overlooks Gaza. It is a sweet community with several bomb shelters The head guy who showed us around was pointing at this major highway ( think NJ Turnpike) and he described how busy the highway used to be it was now desolate. He described how there was free trade between the Palestinians and the Israelis and they would on a daily basis just drive back-and-forth into one another’s territories to buy essentials, including but not limited to groceries. It was an every day, Norman then of course that closed down and it was just a dead zone in between two territories. My very close Israeli friend was in the six day war and he was very passionate about his country and I loved him very much. He just passed away last July and I know he would be devastated. however, I continue to feel as an outsider that there really should be a agreement on two states. This conflict will never end unless the Palestinians are rightfully, giving a congruent piece of territory. They can call their own’s and walk about freely. The Gaza Strip backs up to the Mediterranean and there’s nowhere for people to go in the small strip of land that big fight seems to be over Jerusalem which is smack in the middle of the country. Everybody wants a piece of that.

      • turtlebubble4 months ago

        Thank you for sharing and for giving some local context to the geography of what is going on. So heartbreaking.